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Frank Answers About Swimming Naked

I recently attended a reunion of the class of 1961 of Bennett High School in Buffalo, NY. As part of the weekend events we were given a tour of our high school to see what had changed and what remained the same.  When we went to the pool our tour guide said, “you men will probably remember the barbaric practice of having to swim nude.” Shocked to hear him say this so matter-of-factly I blurted out, “it wasn’t barbaric, it was a good tradition.” I looked at a couple of the guys in our group, with whom I probably had swimming classes, and they seemed equally surprised. The guide asserted, “Well, I think it was barbaric. I don’t know what the rationale was for such a practice.”

I didn’t press the issue, although I thought as a retired teacher he probably should have found out what the rationale was for the practice of swimming naked if he was going to comment on it. But here’s the answer…or at least an answer.

Warning: nude images

People who didn’t experience boys swimming naked in the YMCA and in many physical education programs in the public and private schools in the US find it hard to believe that this was done. Yet this was the practice. Boys swam naked in the YMCAs, in Boys Clubs, and in school physical education classes from the time pools were first installed in these institutions in the late 19th century until the 1970s. Many men over 50 testify that they swam naked in high school and college. Many people under 50 don’t believe them.  But it was the practice and there are some pictures to prove it.

Figure 1. This photo of a swimming class at New Trier High School in Winnetka, Illinois appeared in Life magazine October 16, 1950.

The following photo of a swimming class with naked boys appears on the internet with the claim that it was featured in Life magazine in 1951. Further research indicates that it is actually a photo taken by a Life photographer for a story about University of Michigan swim coach Matthew Mann. The story appeared in Life on March 7, 1938 but the photo wasn’t used; it can be found in the Life photo archive website.  But it reminds me of what I experienced at Bennett High School in Buffalo during my freshman year (1957-58).

boys swimming class 1950s
Fig. 2. University of Michigan swimming program

Among other changes, our tour guide at Bennett pointed out that the diving boards had been removed from the pool because of a fatal diving accident. It was undoubtedly traumatic that such a thing happened. But thousands of boys had learned to dive off those boards, including me. I was never a good diver because I was nearsighted and was always worried about where I would land. But I at least had the experience of trying it under supervision.

Fig. 3. These boys are younger than 9th grade, but the diving board looks similar to the one I remember in our high school pool.

When we got to the gym our guide pointed out that the climbing poles and ropes had been removed and climbing was no longer a part of the school gym curriculum. Apparently there had been some accidents. I was sad to hear that the ropes and poles were gone because I had actually done well in climbing in the 7th and 8th grades and demonstrated it in the boys gymnastic show in P.S. 61 in Buffalo. So a physical activity that I was actually good at has been removed.

Fig. 4. Climbing ropes and poles was a regular learning in physical education classes.

We were often shirtless in elementary school gym class, which was a situation in which adolescent boys were often insecure because our bodies were developing at wildly different rates.  Ironically, I felt less self-conscious being naked in 9th grade swimming class than being shirtless in 8th grade gymnastics. Maybe it was because in swimming we shed those school-issued shorts that accentuated skinny legs and the actual proportions of the body were more visible.

Reasons for this Blog Article

Why would I even be interested in responding to the issue of naked swimming in the schools in the old days with a blog article? For a number of reasons. First, here was a practice most men experienced as recently as fifty years ago, and is a living memory for many of us, but people don’t know about it. Some even deny it happened because it doesn’t fit our current cultural mores. Men don’t talk about it even if they were comfortable with the practice because the reactions are usually negative. And it’s not something we thought about for the last fifty years, any more than I thought about our school requirement that boys who were on the stage in school assemblies (including sports teams) had to wear a jacket and tie (which I also think was a good tradition). So this article is an exercise in social history to discuss what  was standard practice in America until the 1970s. Boys swam naked in the YMCA and American high schools and sometimes teachers or coaches were naked too (although my swimming teacher always wore a swim suit). I set this in the broader context of naked swimming in America.

Fig. 5. Could be YMCA swimming instruction.

Second, it is surely a matter of interest in U.S. social history that a practice that millions of men experienced as boys has been suppressed in our collective memory.  This reflects a radical change in social mores today that suggests different attitudes toward nudity, privacy, and the body than were common in earlier times in America.  We tend to reject the attitudes and views of previous generations because they contradict our own (more enlightened?) attitudes and views, as if our attitudes and views can’t withstand the challenge of different standards. But perhaps some of our current attitudes and views need to be challenged, including our attitudes toward and views about nudity today, which are almost exclusively associated with sexuality.

Fig. 6. Cover of Collier’s magazine August 20, 1949

Third, this topic fits in with my ongoing “return to the body” project that is evident in many Frank Answer articles.  Nakedness is a powerful religious and spiritual symbol. (I actually first broached this topic of swimming naked at the YMCA in my “Frank Answer About Being Naked Before God.”  It was written before I went to my class reunion, so the issue was probably on my mind when our class reunion guide brought it up.) Philosophically, I don’t think that the body is just something that we have, as if the real me is something other than the body (like the mind or the soul). Rather, I was created as a body—a body with a mind and a soul.

Boys are always concerned about how their bodies are developing in comparison with the bodies of other boys. This is a fourth reason for writing this article.

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Our society today tends to have crazy attitudes toward the body. The body is glamorized in the media (using impossible models for the rest of us) and this in turn leads to issues of body shame (sometimes producing eating disorders). Let’s not think that body shame is only a women’s issue. Men also feel that they are physically inadequate when they compare their bodies to media-glamorized images of the male body. Even when I was a youth there were muscle magazines encouraging boys to bulk up so they wouldn’t be the skinny kid having sand kicked in his face on the beach in front of his girl friend, who then walks off with the muscle guy! Today boys use weight machines, consume protein shakes, and sometimes use steroids to bulk up in order to compare more favorably with ideal models. But many remain dissatisfied with their bodies because the results are never quite as perfect as they desire.

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A fifth reason for writing this article is that religions have played a role in inculcating negative attitudes toward the body, for example, by their emphasis on modesty in dress. Whether intended or not, people picked up from this the idea that there’s something not quite good about the human body. But God said that what he created was “very good.”  That includes our bodies. In fact, we were created in the image of God. It was Adam and Eve who concluded that they had cause to hide from God because they were naked and wanted to cover themselves. God asked them, “Who told you you were naked?” Being ashamed of our bodies is not what God intended. Christianity affirms that the body is God’s good creation and as such it needs to be honored and respected. (For my theological affirmation of the body see “Frank Answers About the Body—God’s and Ours.”) As a pastor of the Church I want to affirm that God’s creation is good, and that includes our bodies. If we are ashamed of our bodies, it’s not because that’s what God told us; it’s because that’s what we told ourselves, or because of what someone else told us and we believed them.

Fig. 9.  “Adam og Eva” (1893) by Danish painter Julius Paulsen

Perhaps a final reason for writing this article is because a challenge was issued that I responded to in the moment.  But that challenge deserves a fuller answer.

Reasons for Swimming Naked in Pools

What our alumni tour guide apparently didn’t know is that there was actually a common sense answer for swimming naked in pools. Lint and threads from the cotton and woolen bathing suits worn at the turn of the 20th century clogged up the filters of the early modern indoor swimming pools. It’s been claimed that chlorine also degraded the swim wear and sometimes burned skin. More importantly, there was concern that bacteria could cling to woolen bathing suits and spread disease. The American Public Health Association recommended in 1926 that the best prevention of the transmission of disease in the pools was to shower with soap and swim naked. School boards, the YMCA, the Boys’ Club and other health clubs with pools followed these recommendations and mandated that men and boys swim naked, which they were used to doing. Women and girls were allowed to wear swimming suits in deference to the view that female modesty should be respected but specified that the suits should not be dyed. Yet the guidelines said about “pools used exclusively by women,” “Suits when used…” This suggested that women and girls might swim naked, just as the boys “should”.

Everyone, boys and girls, had to shower naked with soap before entering the pool in the interests of hygiene and public health.

Fig. 10

When I was in elementary school there were “shower periods” in which children were called out of classes to take showers in the separate boys and girls locker rooms in the interest of promoting public health, if their parents signed a permission form.  A slogan we heard repeatedly in the 1950s was “Cleanliness is next to godliness.” Hygiene was treated as a moral issue.  The agenda for promoting better hygiene included improvements in sanitation, provision of clean water, and the creation of a public bath movement that provided the poor with facilities for cleaning and attempted to convince them of the necessity of being clean. (They were derogatorily called “the great unwashed.”) Today taking showers is no longer required by schools for a number of reasons, including student sensitivities, and most students don’t. They wouldn’t be caught dead being naked in front of their peers.

Fig. 11. Boys showering in a CCC camp in the 1930s

As showers began to be installed in private homes the practice of school shower periods abated. But with the installation of home showers, and more than one bathroom in the home, boys and girls became more used to privacy when bathing. Mothers especially began to question the practice of boys swimming naked in schools. It was pointed out that swim suits were being made of synthetic material. Chlorination in the water in the pools was better regulated. Filters were improved. The following story from the Appleton Post in 1961 reports on the emerging controversy and the decision of the school district to maintain the tradition of boys swimming naked.

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The American Public Health Association removed its recommendation of nude swimming in 1962. But the weight of tradition kept the practice going in many places for a decade or more longer, as many men testify. When all is said, the reason boys swam naked was because of Tradition. It was traditional for boys to swim naked. They swam naked before pools were built. They swam naked before health concerns about bacteria on swim suits were raised. And no one saw any reason to break with the tradition once APHA guidelines were removed. But the practice began to be questioned when cultural mores changed radically during the 1960s and especially in the 1970s.

Did girls ever swim naked in high school swimming classes? There are internet sites on which women claim that they swam nude in their high school classes during this same time period from the early1950s to the the early 1970s. The practice certainly wasn’t as pervasive as boys swimming naked. But high schools named by women in Philadelphia, Oklahoma, and San Francisco apparently were places where girls swam nude. In any event, nude showering was requiring of girls as well as boys by the APHA guidelines.

Fig 13. These are definitely nude girls in a swimming class.

The History of Naked Swimming

Where did this tradition come from? Quite simply, it had been the custom for men and boys and often women and girls to swim naked outdoors and even in indoor pools in ancient times. They swam and bathed naked. If you think about it, why would you intentionally wear clothing to go in the water?  The cloth will drag you down. Bathing suits weren’t even invented before the mid-19th century when public bathing beaches were established for urban populations.

The Romans erected baths (both public and private) throughout their empire in which the patrons exercised and bathed naked. The ritual of the bath included exercise (like playing ball) to work up a sweat, followed by anointing the body, massage, and bathing in pools of different temperature. There were baths for men, baths for women, and some baths for men and women. Mixed gender bathing was frowned on during the days of Republican Rome, tolerated and even promoted during the early years of the Empire, and then again frowned upon by reactionary emperors such as Hadrian. The famous Turkish baths in Istanbul are really the Roman baths built during the construction of Constantinople as the new Rome under Constantine the Great and his successors.

Fig. 14. Roman public bathing. Furnaces under the pools warmed the waters.

The Italian Renaissance painter Luca Signorelli (c. 1441/1445-1523) captured in paint these two nude boys getting dressed after swimming in a river.

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Interest in the “science” of swimming began in the mid-17th century with the publication of William Percey’s The Art of Swimming (1658). It was illustrated with pictures of nude swimmers demonstrating different techniques.

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Interest in swimming as a form of exercise and recreation continued into 18th century Age of Enlightenment. Benjamin Franklin was interested in the science of swimming and swam naked in the Thames while stationed in London in the 1750s.

Two U.S. presidents—John Quincy Adams and Theodore Roosevelt—were known to swim naked in the Potomac River. Adams, president 1825-1829, stripped down to his birthday suit for laps in the Potomac at 5:00 am every morning. (A female reporter once sat on his clothes until he answered some questions.) Teddy Roosevelt, president 1901-1909, wrote in his Autobiography that he sometimes went swimming with his “tennis cabinet,” and noted that “If we swam the Potomac, we usually took off our clothes.”

Here’s a photo of boys swimming naked off a dock c. 1914. The men standing around may be the fathers of the youngsters.

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Some towns erected platforms from which boys could dive or jump into the water of lakes or rivers.

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While men and boys swam naked into the early 20th century, they did not do so on public beaches. By the late 19th century public bathing beaches had developed and if men swam at the same beaches as women they were required to cover up. The issue was that in the matter of protecting the modesty of women they should not even see men naked in public.

“Bathing costumes” at first covered the body from the neck to the knees.

Fig. 19. This photo from Atlantic City in the early 1900s shows some fashionable beach attire for men and women.

The following photo is of swimming instruction at a Boy Scout summer camp ca. 1929. Some boys are in swim suits, others are naked. In the style of the day, male swim suits still had to cover male nipples. Here at Scout camp boys swam naked outdoors in secluded places, as was the custom. But boys who were not used to the practice were allowed to cover up. In my experience of Scout summer camp in the 1950s, there was no nude swimming, although that was the case at YMCA camps.

Fig. 20

Boys swimming naked was so taken for granted that the opening scene in Walt Disney’s 1960 film, Pollyanna, has boys swimming naked off a railroad bridge to give a sense of youth activities in the small town where the story took place.

Fig. 21

In less public places men continued to bathe naked even in the presence of women, as the following photo indicates.

boys nude girls clothed at the beach
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On the other hand, there are a number of newspaper articles about boys (and girls on some occasions) being chased or even arrested for skinny dipping in rivers, lakes,  city park ponds, and closed (private) pools. This occurred at the same time that boys in the schools and YMCAs were naked when being taught to swim.   (See the newspaper clippings appended at the end of this article.)  If this wasn’t confusing enough for the boys, standards varied from place to place.

A common experience shared by many men who were drafted during World War II was being naked together in the military for medical exams, showers, and even swimming. The experience most men had of swimming naked in school and the YMCA eased the transition to naked interaction in the military as millions were drafted or volunteered for service during the war.

Fig. 23. Photo of U.S. Marines on Guadacanal in 1943 bathing and having fun with a makeshift water slide.

Perhaps experiences of naked swimming in the military during the war gave a boost to naked swimming for boys and men in school indoor pools.  It was considered manly and prepared young men for experiences of nude medical exams and showering in the military.

Nude Male Swimming in Art

The practice of boys and men swimming naked was captured by artists. Above I included Signorelli’s painting from the 15th century as historical evidence. A number of late 19th/early 20th century impressionist artists painted scenes of boys and men swimming nude at a time when it was becoming less common. Above this article is “The Swimming Hole” (1884-85) by American painter Thomas Eakins. He took several photographs of young men swimming in a swimming hole in 1884 that served as studies for the painting. This is one of them.

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Addison Thomas Millar (1860-1913) painted this picture of naked boys swimming at a lake in the late 19th century.

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Below is “The Bathers (1922)” by English painter Henry Scott Tuke, who was a prolific painter of boys and sailing ship

Bathers Henry Scott Tuke 1922
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Skinny Dipping

Skinny dipping became a term for nude swimming once it was the exception to the rule of wearing swimming attire. The photograph distributing firm of Underwood & Underwood purchased and distributed thousands of copies of this photo taken early in the 20th century. It shows two boys with their father “Down at the Old Swimming Hole,” the name of the photo.

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The above photo reminds me of the poem, “The Old Swimming Hole,” by Hoosier poet James Whitcomb Riley, perhaps written about the same time. The first stanza:

Oh! the old swimmin’-hole! whare the crick so still and deep
Looked like a baby-river that was laying half asleep,
And the gurgle of the worter round the drift jest below
Sounded like the laugh of something we onc’t ust to know
Before we could remember anything but the eyes
Of the angels lookin’ out as we left Paradise;
But the merry days of youth is beyond our controle,
And it’s hard to part ferever with the old swimmin’-hole.

There was a famous cover of the Saturday Evening Post (August 1911) showing boys skinny dipping, also at about the same time. Perhaps with industrialization and urbanization there was nostalgia for simpler, freer times.

Naked swimming Saturday Evening Post 19 Aug 1911
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Of course, the practice of skinny dipping has never completely died out.  My first experience of skinny dipping occurred one summer day when I was twelve or thirteen.  My family was visiting a family that lived in the country and that family’s 15-year old son invited me to go swimming in the nearby creek.  I had no bathing suit but he said we didn’t need one if the girls didn’t come.  He told me that if only boys went to the swimming hole they swam naked.  It was 1955 and scenes like this at the old swimming hole still played in rural America.

Fig. 29

One of my fond memories from my youth is from the summer of 1958 when I was 15 years old and spent a week camping with three other Scouting friends (including my friend Gary) in a wilderness area known as Zoar Valley south of Buffalo, NY. (Yes, our parents let us do this!). We spent the week exploring the South Branch Cattaraugus Creek and came upon a beautiful swimming hole just below an area of rapids.

Fig. 30. South Branch Cattaraugus Creek – our actual swimming hole

On this warm summer day we didn’t think twice about taking off all our clothes and jumping in. We had spent the school year swimming naked together in high school swimming class and had participated in Scout swim nights at the YMCA. We were used to being naked with one another. We then laid on rocks worn smooth by spring torrents to dry off in the warm sun and connecting with nature in this very natural way.

Fig. 31

A few years later when I was twenty (1963) and visiting a friend in Virginia during my college days, he invited me to go swimming in the river on a warm summer night, and of course we took off our clothes and swam naked. In a somewhat secluded area there would not be a question about this. It’s what boys did.

Fig. 32

A real breakthrough in skinny dipping for both sexes came with the Woodstock Music Festival in the Catskills in August 1969.  With half a million people gathered on this farm land  for three days facilities were limited. Many festival attendees used a nearby lake for bathing and recreation. It was all recorded by photographers. The public nude bathing at Woodstock became a milestone in the cultural revolution of the late 1960s/early 1970s, along with the Festival itself.

Fig. 33. Swimming naked in the lake at Woodstock 1969

Skinny dipping received new life in the post-Woodstock era with both men and women, especially college students, shedding clothes and experiencing nature in the same state as they came into it. In fact, I understand that Zoar Valley became a hang out for nudists in the 1970s, probably because it was fairly secluded and unpoliced. (I wonder if we boys in 1958 had started something!) In the post-Woodstock era women joined men in swimming naked in lakes and streams.

naked swimming
Fig. 34

Also in the 1980s many backyard swimming pools were installed in suburban America. These provided opportunities for skinny dipping, especially by teenage boys just at the time when nude swimming in the schools and the YMCA had ceased and swim suits were now being required.

Fig. 35

The Physical Culture Movement

It was one thing for boys and men to swim naked outdoors in secluded places, but another thing to bring naked swimming into indoor pools. I think this practice owes a lot to the physical culture movement that began in northern Europe (especially Germany and Scandinavia) in the early 19th century. An unprecedented enthusiasm for athletic disciplines based on scientific principles gave us calisthenics, gymnastics, swimming as a sport, and physical education. While developed primarily in Germany (with use of equipment) and Sweden (exercise through movement without equipment), this movement spread to Britain and America and became the basis of gymnastics-based gym classes.

The physical culture movement was partly inspired by the Romantic Greek Revival movement. The ancient Greeks idealized the nude body in drawings on urns and sculptures. The Spartans were basically bare and their victories in pan-Hellenic sports competitions enticed all neighboring Greeks to exercise naked, creating the word “gymnasium” (from the Greek gymnos = naked). They exercised and bathed naked and discussed philosophy while sitting naked in the pools.

Young Spartans Edgar Deqa 1861
Fig. 36. “Young Spartans” (1861) by Edgar Degas

Naked public bathing was once common across much of Europe. But during the Victorian Age bathing on public beaches developed as a form of recreation and  bathing attire was fashioned for both men and women. Boys and men continued to swim naked in secluded lakes and streams.

In Germany, the revival of naked swimming came in 1898 when the first naturalist association was founded in the city of Essen. Intertwined with the 20th century movements to promote public health, there was a concern to get people out of unhealthy, polluted cities like Essen (home of the Krupp Steelworks in the industrialized Ruhr Valley) into natural areas where they could breathe cleaner air, shed their heavy clothing, and let their bodies soak up Vitamin D from the sunshine. The naturalist movement coincided with the  nationalist movement to create healthy and beautiful Germans.

Fig. 37

One would think that nudity for this purpose would have been promoted by the Nazis, but nude bathing was banned by the Nazis in 1941.

After the war public nakedness resumed in Germany and across Europe. Nude bathing by men and women became acceptable along the Mediterranean coast, rivers in France, and along the Baltic coast.

Fig. 38. A photo from 1955 by the photographer Konrad Helbig entitled “The Three Graces” using unknown models.

In Germany in particular naked swimming for both sexes was allowed on beaches. It is said that in the former German Democratic Republic (Communist East Germany) nudity on beaches and in public parks was a form of freedom of expression in a society where freedom was generally suppressed.  Germany has more nude swimming than any other country in the world. After 1968 the sexual revolution brought more open public nudity in the rest of Europe and the establishment of designated clothing option beaches along the Mediterranean and Baltic Seas .

Fig. 39. German boys swimming nude on a beach in the 1960s.

Finns and Swedes continued a custom of swimming nude when whole families emerged from their hot saunas and jumped into cool lakes and ponds. This practice is also found among the Russians and Estonians. I experienced the sauna ritual in 1973 on my first visit to Sweden. Families invite friends into their saunas.  Friends or professional associates might also sit in the saunas together. There is a meditative quality to sitting together quietly in the saunas followed by the vigorous action of jumping into the water of a pond or lake or, in the winter, rolling in the snow.

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The northern European physical culture movement is relevant to this story because the YMCA (Young Men’s Christian Association), with its emphasis on healthy minds, bodies, and spirits as a trinity of Christian values (note the Y’s triangle logo), was a  promoter of this movement.  The YMCA originated in London in 1844 as a Christian mission to young men moving into the cities for work. Ys spread quickly to cities in other countries. YMCAs provided housing, Bible studies, classes, and promoted male bonding and manly Christianity.

The YMCA also began installing indoor swimming pools in the late 1880s.  The first one opened in Brooklyn, NY in 1885. The purpose of the pools was to teach urban boys to swim. This was considered a social service because many boys were drowning. The practice of boys and men swimming naked outdoors was simply transferred to indoor pools.  Many boys first learned to swim in YMCA pools in indoor facilities and summer camps. Only later did schools begin installing pools.  The practice of swimming naked was later reinforced by the health concerns which I discussed above.

Fig. 41

The YMCA advertised its swimming classes and ads usually informed parents that boys should bring a towel but not a swimming suit. This ad in the Waterloo, Iowa Courier June 8, 1960 said about bathing suits: “We do not encourage the use of bathing suits, but if a boys wishes to wear one, he may.” (This was about the time when pressure began, especially from mothers, to end nude swimming by boys.)

Fig. 42

This photo purports to be from a YMCA advertisement. But there is online the same photo with the swimmer wearing a swim suit. Photo shopping (altering photos) is one of the problems of getting photos from internet images. Which one is authentic and which one is fake?

Fig. 43.

The above photo shows swimming classes assembled in the old basement pool in the Walla Walla, Washington YMCA.

Fig. 44. Swimming class in the Walla Walla YMCA in which every body is naked.

In 1960 the Walla Walla YMCA pool was renovated with a modern filtering system and these boys were photographed on the deck wearing swim suits. But they might have put on suits just for the photo which advertised the renovated pool.

Fig. 45. It’s been reported by participants than when photos were taken bathing suits were issued.

Each local YMCA could develop its own rules about activities. In many Ys the tradition of men and boys swimming naked continued throughout the 60s and into the 70s. Toward the end of the 1960s the YMCA began to admit women and girls into membership and nude swimming by men and boys began to be abolished so that both sexes could use the pool together.

Swimming nude at YMCA
Fig. 46. This could have been a YMCA high school club called Hi-Y. I was a member of such a club ca, 1960. That could be the vintage of the photo judging by the adult’s glasses.

Were Women and Girls Present When Boys Swam Naked?

It’s often asked whether girls were present when boys swam naked in the Ys and the schools. In the schools girls and boys had separate swimming classes. But some women who swam nude reported that sometimes boys and girls classes were combined and girls swam naked with the boys. The YMCA did employ female swimming instructors and lifeguards. In schools there were generally male teachers for boys and female teachers for girls. But some men have reported that occasionally a female instructor served as a substitute swimming teacher for boys swimming naked in schools. Some vintage photos suggest that women PE teachers also helped to monitor boys’ swimming competitions.

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At first, swimming competitions did not draw a lot of spectators. This allowed boys to compete naked just as they practiced swimming naked.  But as swimming competitions became more popular there was concern that the boys should not swim naked in front of a mixed audience.  Did women — mothers, sisters, even classmates — attend events at which boys competed naked? This is much debated. I found an article on internet sites that was purportedly clipped from the “Wisconsin Press” for November 11, 1952.  It reports that females were beginning to attend the boys swim meets and the board of education made adjustments in the usual practice of nude swimming by allowing boys to wear suits (although not yet requiring them).  However, further research suggests that this article is a fake.  It is not found where it claims to be found—the Sheboygan Wisconsin Press November 11, 1952. I leave it in place here as a warning of the pitfalls of researching this topic on the internet. “Fake news” is not a new phenomenon.

Fig. 48

There are some photos on the internet of naked boys and suited girls participating in swimming competitions. It’s unlikely that that would not have happened in high school meets.  Young men swam naked in colleges and universities, just as they did in high schools, YMCAs, and Boys Clubs, and for the same reasons.  But were there official co-ed swimming competitions with men’s teams and women’s teams jointly participating, as this photo suggests?  Probably not. So is this photo reliable?

swimming nude at swim meets 2
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Actually, co-ed swimming did take place in some colleges in which the young women were naked as well as the young men. Schools like Oberlin College and Harvard University had co-ed swimming parties. There were scenes of co-ed naked swimming lessons in the 1973 film The Harrod Experiment, based on the novel of that title by Robert H. Rimmer and starring Don Johnson and Victoria Thompson, in which a small liberal arts college experimented with young men and women living together, sharing dorm rooms, and having opportunities to be naked with each other in classes.

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The book and movie were not so far-fetched in terms of collegiate experiments in co-ed living during the 1970s. In some colleges men and women lived in the same dorms, shared bathrooms and showers, and had nude co-ed swims. Weekly nude co-ed swimming was practiced at Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio as well as at Adams House at Harvard, which had a magnificent indoor pool. So in some college and university situations women’s liberation did not mean suiting the boys but unsuiting the girls.

However, swimming competitions on the Olympic level, both nationally and internationally, required suits on both men and women. This example of boys’ pre-speedo swimming briefs is just a notch above swimming in underwear.  When wet, nothing was left to the imagination!

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The End of Boys Swimming Naked

But back to everyday reality.  Boys were increasingly required to wear bathing suits for competitions. At first this was probably just to make things even between teams, if some teams didn’t compete naked.  But as mothers and sisters and female school mates began to attend, the question was undoubtedly raised as to whether the boys should swim naked in front of them.  Some men say that they swam naked in swimming meets even with females present. There’s no evidence for this in newspaper articles or photos.  But the growing practice of wearing swim suits for public competitions may have helped to challenge the rule of boys swimming naked in school and YMCA pools. If we can wear suits in competitions, why can’t we wear them in swim classes and practices?  (In my high school boys wore swim suits in competitions in the 1950s-70s even though they swam naked in physical education classes.)

In the YMCA in particular, once women and girls were admitted into membership they had to be given equal access to the pool in the times in which children and youth could be in the Y facilities (after school, weekends, summers). The easiest scheduling arrangement was to have co-ed swimming classes and open swims for all members.  This put pressure on the Ys to require the boys and men to wear swim suits.  There was less pressure on the schools because they had the students all day, and boys and girls could have separate swim classes just as they had separate gym classes.  Boys could continue to swim naked behind locked doors. But toward the late 1960s the debate in various communities about the wisdom of requiring the boys to swim nude in public schools sharpened. This newspaper article from the Janesville, WI Gazette in 1967 is typical of discussions going on elsewhere.

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Interestingly, the issue was resolved in favor of continuing the tradition of nude swimming.  In 1976 the superintendent was still defending the practice—but blamed it on the boys’ preference.

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Boys swimming naked in schools slowly came to an end in one community after another during the 1970s. But we see testimony in articles published in newspapers and magazines, old photos on google images, and discussion on internet blogs and forums (to the extent that these sources of information are reliable), that before ca. 1970 it was widely accepted and expected that boys would participate naked in PE swimming classes and sometimes even in competitions. But would girls’ and boys’ swim teams be photographed with the boys’ team naked?

Fig. 54. So it would seem.

Benefits of Boys Swimming Naked

Did we derive any benefit from this practice of swimming naked in school? I can think of several benefits. I think the first and most important benefit was self-acceptance. I remember that our swimming teacher, Mr. Rudolf Heis, met with us at the beginning of the term and said, “You will be showering and swimming naked. You all have the same physical equipment and none of you has anything to be ashamed of.” I found this speech reassuring. Our bodies at that age (in the freshmen year we were between the ages of 13 and 15) were all at different stages of development. I think our naked swimming classes did a lot to compensate for whatever body shame some boys might have had inflicted on them by others. I think most boys accepted their own physical development without a lot of anxiety.  But boys who had difficulty accepting their own bodily self-image may not have gotten over it by being required to swim naked. In fact, their sense of shame may have been aggravated.

The second benefit was socialization. Fourteen-year old freshmen boys were thrown into a year-long experience of being naked with other kids, most of whom were new to us in high school, and bonding naturally developed because we were going through a common experience. I think the practice actually had an initiatory quality. Swimming naked in freshman swimming class was like a rite of passage into high school, something every boy had to go through. We simply got used to being together naked and there was a lot of mutual acceptance.  In fact, I think we became so used to being together this way that we didn’t even think about the fact that we were naked when we interacted physically, like playing water polo or just horsing around during free time. I remember wrestling in the water with my boyhood friend Gary (now deceased) in a game of trying to dunk the other.

Fig. 55. Naked boys horsing around in the shower

The third benefit was that nakedness was not identified with sexuality. I don’t recall any sexual overtones in swimming class. When you’re naked, what you see is what you get. Initial curiosity is quickly satisfied. (Nudity is how naked bodies are portrayed in films and magazines and works of art; nudity always leaves something for the imagination. That’s why I prefer the term “naked” to describe what we actually experienced.)  Today nudity seems to be almost exclusively associated with sexuality.

There was clearly a differentiation of the genders back in the days when boys swan naked. Modesty was required of the girls but not of the boys. But with pressure for co-ed swimming the boys became suited too—sometimes with school-issued speedos that, like the girls’ lycra suits, were turned in after each swimming class so they wouldn’t be left wet in lockers to mildew. Boys I’ve talked to in recent years say these speedos don’t leave much to the imagination after repeated use. But they admit that the use of the long swim trunks that boys prefer on the beach today aren’t good for learning how to swim. I wonder what they would think about what we wore in the high school pool fifty years ago.

Fig. 56. Swim team in Speedos

Social Norms

Body changes during puberty and adolescence affect our self-image, which is based primarily on our body image. One’s body image is shaped by social norms and cultural upbringing. From an early age we are taught what is proper bodily behavior, and in a clothed society strict boundaries are set for public nakedness. These factors dictate how we feel when our naked body is exposed. When and where is nakedness or nudity accepted and when and where is it considered a breaking of social norms? There may not have been any consistency in the norms.

For men of my vintage, nakedness was an acceptable social norm if boys were showering and swimming together in indoor pools. It was also considered okay to swim naked in secluded outdoors lakes and streams if girls weren’t around.  By and large, these venues for being naked with other males are closed off today (although we are seeing a proliferation of “clothing optional” beaches and an interest in naturism).  Lacking situations to counter the inculcated social norm that we should not be naked (i.e. show one’s “private parts”) in public, most boys today have acquired such a sense of modesty that they don’t even like to be naked in front of one another in locker rooms and showers. I notice in the YMCA locker room that young men do the “towel dance” to keep covered while changing clothes and leave their bathing suit on when they shower while the old guys walk around “butt naked.” These millennials had no experience of being naked in front of other men.

Fig. 57

Was Naked Swimming a Gay Thing?

Ironically, back in the 1950s and 1960s boys who were shy about undressing in front of other boys were regarded as “queer.” By the 1990s boys who wanted to swim naked were regarded as a “gay.” I don’t think that a major reason why the practice of naked swimming began to cease in the 1970s and definitely by the 1980s was homophobia, even though these were the decades, following the Stonewall Riots in 1969, of the gay liberation movement. But I do think it contributed to the reluctance of boys to shower after physical education classes.

Was there an element of homoeroticism in boys swimming naked? Undoubtedly. But that doesn’t mean naked swimming is a gay thing. The Kinsey Report on Male Sexuality demonstrated that relatively few males were exclusively homosexual or heterosexual. Responses to questions indicated that many men had experienced one or more same-sex encounters. Only a small percentage rated their sexual attraction as only same-sex or opposite-sex. But in the wake of gay liberation, and the reaction to the greater presence of homosexuals in public life, homophobia gained traction beginning in the 1970s and throughout the 1980s and definitely by the 1990s. Men and boys feared being identified as gay. They sought to demonstrate their straightness by using homosexual sexual slurs against boys perceived as gay. Fear of being “hit on” by gays in showers and locker rooms contributed to a desire not to be naked in these venues. But gay boys also feared being exposed, for example, by having an erection in the shower or locker room and being harassed for it by other boys. Boys became homophobic—afraid of men. Incidents of sexual abuse of boys by coaches or other boys also stoked these fears. Even today, we are not as sexually liberated as we like to think.

Fig. 58. What was natural interaction between boys in the 1950s and 1969s became threatening by the 1980s and 1990s because of homophobia.

Nevertheless, it is an issue we need to raise because boys are not as comfortable being naked with one another today as they were in the 1950s and 1960s.

Fig. 59. The 1960s – a time when it seemed natural for boys to be together nude.

Has there been sufficient integration of gays into social life during the 2000s, and boys coming out as gay to their friends already in high school, to make gays less threatening and boys more relaxed about being together naked?

Fig. 60. Can that natural male bonding among boys be experienced today?

In Conclusion

I’m sure the practice of men and boys swimming naked in public pools is long gone. In my view, it was good while it lasted, for the reasons I’ve given. But I also recognize that there are issues to deal with today that we didn’t have to deal with back in my day, like spy cameras in various places around the school (including the locker rooms), iphone cameras, and now how to handle transgender boys and girls in the showers and locker rooms.

Nevertheless, I’ve found that there is a lot of curiosity about this custom of boys and men swimming naked in schools and the YMCA fifty-plus years ago. Readers are welcome to post your own experiences of swimming naked in the comments section below. While this has been mostly a male-oriented post since it’s the boys who swam naked in school, female readers are invited to share their experiences and observations. The reactions of millennials and the younger generations to this social history are also welcome.


About the Comments

For previous comments before the ones posted below see “previous” and “next” at the bottom of the page. I have curated two additional articles composed of anthologies of these comments. Go to “Frank Answers About Naked Swimming — Commentary Part I: Discerning the Truth.” The first pingback at the end of these comments will take you directly to the second commentary article, “Frank Answers About Naked Swimming — Commentary Part II: Experiencing Nudity.” The second pingback at the end of the comments takes you to a blog article about swimming naked, especially outdoors.

APPENDIX: Boys Will Swim Nude

Here’s a sampling of hundreds of newspaper clippings from throughout the U.S. and Canada about boys swimming naked—either in city parks, where it was illegal, or in schools, where the practice was being contested.


Boys shed their clothes and went swimming in a pond in Forest Park in St. Louis and were chased by police down Lindell Boulevard (Shelby County Herald June 26, 1907).

Fig. 62
Fig. 63

On the day school let out for summer vacation fifty boys shed their clothes and went swimming in a lake in New York City’s Central Park. Six were nabbed by police and arrested for delinquency (Reading Times, June 26, 1926).

Fig. 64

While police in the U.S. and constables in Canada continued to harass boys swimming naked in urban areas, a Canadian magistrate in Ottawa threw out a police complaint of boys swimming naked in an abandoned quarry, with editorial approval in the Montreal Star.

Fig. 65

A student letter to the editor defends nude swimming at a Kenosha, Wisconsin high school.

Fig. 66

The following headline is totally misleading. The story says that 10% of students chose to wear trunks when given an opportunity to decide. The real news is that 90% chose to continue swimming nude. So in actuality nude swimming continued in Cloquet High School.

Fig. 67

Here’s a reference to “Bare Ass Beach” “where only boys swam naked in the creek” in a locally published history of Uniontown, Ohio beginning in 1932.

Fig. 68. Uniontown, Ohio “Bare Ass Beach”
Fig. 69
Fig. 70. Boys on this swim team are nude; coaches are dressed. The boys appear to be high school age.


  1. Phil

    While we did not have nude swimming at school there was one incident when we could not do gymnastics so we had to do swimming in the school pool. We boys had white shorts so after jumping in the pool all our gear became see through. This was back in March 1987

  2. Han Champion

    You state, “It was Adam and Eve who concluded that they had cause to be ashamed because they were naked and wanted to cover themselves.” In all the research I have done, I find no justification for this statement. While it is commonly taught and more commonly repeated, the Bible does not say that Adam and Eve were ashamed. What the Bible says is that they were “afraid”.

    Repeating that they were ashamed because they were naked does everyone a disservice and only serves to perpetuate gnostic attitudes that have been prevalent in the Church for about 300 years.

    Freedom comes from knowing the truth, not from repeating popular mantras.

    For a full discussion, refer to and

    • Comment by post author

      You are correct that Adam and Eve hid from God because “they were afraid” (Gen. 3:10). Adam added “because I was naked; and I hid myself.” He blames his fear on his newly discovered nakedness, not on his disobedience of God’s command not to eat of the tree in the middle of the garden (which was the real issue). However, after they ate the forbidden fruit “the eyes of both were opened, and they knew they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made loin clothes [actually “aprons”] for themselves” (Gen. 37). Why did they hide their “private parts” from each other? One suggestion is because intimacy would be an issue from there on because trust was broken, especially after they began blaming one another. Being “ashamed” is a traditional interpretation of the situation. Were they not ashamed of what they had done? And didn’t they focus this on their genitals?

      By the way, gnostic attitudes have been a temptation for more than 300 years. Certainly these attitudes were prevalent in the early centuries of Christianity and periodically since then. Gnosticism would hold that physical reality, such as the body and its sexuality, is evil. Orthodox Christianity affirms with Genesis 1 that the body and sexuality is good. It’s what we do with it that can be a sin resulting in alienation from one another and from God.

      • Han Champion

        It is an assumption that the intent of Adam and Eve was to hide their “private parts” from each other. Scripture only describes them hiding from God. Even if we assume that their decision to was to conceal themselves from each other, do we think that that was a correct decision? If we do, then shouldn’t we practice that today and avoid spouses seeing each other naked?

        Just because something is “traditional” doesn’t make it correct. In my experience, shame is a taught response. Children lack a sense of shame about most (if not all) things until they are told “you should be ashamed of yourself”. There is no indication that God told them to be ashamed. The only other entity around to tell them anything was Satan. Do we trust Satan’s words or intent?

        Certainly Gnosticism has been around since the Christianity started. Based on my readings, the current teaching about body shame goes back 300 years. Before that there is much more acceptance of the body and public nudity. Clothing provided protection from the elements and displayed status if you could afford it.

        • Comment by post author

          Certainly shame is imposed on us by others. I said that in my article. But apparently an “original shame” accompanied the “original sin.” Our primal parents knew they had violated God’s instructions. A built-in moral sense (they were, after all, created in “the image of God”) caused them to instinctively know they had done wrong, just as we know when we have screwed up. (As St. Paul later said, the law exposes sin.) I appreciate your challenge to my assumption that in response they hid their “private parts” from each other. They were hiding from God. But why just cover their “private parts?” I think because this is where intimacy is most directly expressed. I think what the Hebrew theologian of Genesis was getting at was that alienation from God also causes alienation from each other. This is evident when they began blaming one another for taking and eating the forbidden fruit.

          There is a lot of profundity to this ancient story about how we came to be the way we are. I appreciate your thoughts on it and your challenge. We all bring assumptions to texts and that’s why Bible study should be a group exercise. How the rabbis and theologians could argue over the smallest points! But it’s important to do so to get to a clearer understanding of the truth about the human situation.

          And, yes, I agree that we are still dealing with the after affects of Victorian “modesty,” but also with new forms of prudery that have arisen even since the “sexual revolution” of the 1960s, not to mention the emergence of evangelicalism and Pentecostalism in world Christianity. All of this has had an impact on our topic of swimming naked.

          • Han Champion

            According to Stephen Fry (not an eminent theologian) in his series “Victorian Secrets” what we label as Victorian prudery/modesty actually originated early in the Edwardian age.

            From other sources, in Victorian times the coal miners in Yorkshire arrived at work, changed out of their normal clothes and went down into the mines stark naked. Young women would take drinking water to the miners while they worked. At the end of their shift the miners showered and put on their clothes to go home in. At a time before washing machines and when you might only have one change of clothes, this was a very practical approach.

            At the sea shore, bathers would climb into a change hut on wheels. As they changed, attendants would push the hut out into the water. The bathers would emerge and swim. The women in a bathing costume and the men quite often naked. One contemporary diarist wrote about the Victorian women gathered on the shore with their opera glasses (small binoculars) observing and commenting on the men.

            You stated in your response, “But apparently an “original shame” accompanied the “original sin””. I would ask where in the original text is that apparent? Is it not likely that the attribution of shame is more a reflection of how many modern commentators think (having grown up and been inculcated in a society which for the most part teaches that nudity=sin and is therefore shameful) than it is something to be found in the text itself?

          • Comment by post author

            Adam and Eve covered their genitals. So if you don’t accept that as an expression of shame, you tell us why they did it.

            I don’t know your assumptions about this text. I view the Genesis prologue as mythological in the sense that it serves to explain why things are as we experience them. In particular the story of creation and fall sets the stage for the unfolding of the whole biblical narrative. The story of Adam and Eve doesn’t stand alone. It looks ahead. You don’t read the first chapter of a story independently of the rest of the book. These stories of beginnings tell us where the sabbath comes from (Gen 1), what is intended by marriage (Gen 2), how sin entered the world and its consequences of broken relationships, guilt and shame
            (Gen 3).
            So it might be helpful if you also lay out your hermeneutics.

            BTW, what you describe about Victorian Beach habits were shown in the BBC Victoria series, including the dressing cart and men swimming butt naked.

        • JuanB

          That is true. With the new christian religions, they changed the way to live our nakedness that has influenced the whole society, including the Catholic religion that in the Vatican had painted nudes that were later covered (Sistine chapel, now uncovered).

  3. Han Champion

    Scripture says that Adam and Eve were afraid and that they hid. I don’t see that it is up to me to justify that I don’t read anything more into the scripture, but it is up to those who impose on the scripture things that are not in the text to explain why that is legitimate.

    Just because after several centuries of western cultural norms most people consider their genitals shameful, is not a legitimate reason to impose modern thinking on Adam and Eve.

    Even those who promote the concept of shame, and argue that God validated the decision by providing skins aren’t consistent in their application of it. If we follow through logically since Adam and Eve were the only ones around, then husband and wife should not see each other naked, nor should anyone else see anyone else naked. Scripture does not list an exception for procreation. Where does scripture permit an exception for parents caring for children, doctors and nurses caring for patients, or children caring for aging parents? Yet most people who say Adam and Eve covered up because nudity was shameful make such exceptions. In order to do so, they rely on human reasoning and practicality rather than scripture.

    Adam and Eve made the decision to cover up right after making the decision to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Having just made the worst decision in the history of mankind, why do people assume that their next decision was a correct one, and one that should set a pattern for all subsequent human behaviour?

    Satan influenced the first decision and was the only one around to tell them they were naked, thus influencing the second decision. Why do people think that the basis for the second decision was any more valid than for the first decision?

    Then there is the difficulty of God telling his prophets to go naked. Why would God tell them to do so if God thought nudity was shameful? Why was Joseph commended for fleeing naked from Potiphar’s wife? Why is Bathsheba not criticized for being naked on the rooftop where she could be seen? Why was David’s wife punished for being critical of David dancing naked while accompanying the Ark of the Covenant? Why was Peter naked on the fishing boat? Why was Jesus confused with the gardener after his resurrection?

    You may object and say that most of these people were in their undergarments. That is not found in the original texts, but has been commonly taught for at least 300 years. It can be argued that this interpretation was a concession to make the Bible more palatable to “modern” sensibilities.

    There are 3 Hebrew words translated as naked. There are 44 occurrences where the one word is translated as naked in the KJV yet is translated inconsistently as something else in the NIV. Were the translators more accurate or were they pandering to a squeamish audience?

    I see no reason to take Genesis at anything other than face value. The NT references to it indicate that it is intended to be accepted as historical.

    • Comment by post author

      Hans, I have given my approach to the text and tried to justify my hermeneutics (method of interpretation). But you don’t see a need to justify your literalism. So I suggest that we return to the subject of naked swimming.

  4. I find an interesting irony in how for all the attention we give to our bodies and for all the bodies on display in our culture, as individuals we may be more secretive and insecure about our bodies than ever before. I am bemused to watch fit young men go into contortions to get dressed in the YMCA locker room without removing their shower towel, while seniors like myself, whose bodies perhaps ought to be covered, walk around butt naked. But we come from an era in which boys were used to being bodily exposed to one another.

    • John C. Birmingham

      I too am bemused (and sometimes amused) by this “modern male modesty” in which younger men struggle to put on their underwear with a towel wrapped around their waists. As I’ve written before here on Pastor Frank’s website, I grew up in the 1940’s and 1950’s. My local YMCA was very much a part of my upbringing, so I guess I’m one of those seniors you’re talking about. I still “walk around butt naked” at another gym, and I don’t care who sees me (as if there’s still much to see). Being naked with other males was very normal in our day.

    • Larry

      I think the best reason I’ve read for nude swimming for boys is that it was meant to encourage boys to be self-confident. Girls wore suits because they were supposed to be modest. Modesty in boys was not regarded as desirable. But no one teaches that anymore.
      What I find really insane is that the young men in my gym go into the dry sauna completely clothed! They even refuse to remove their shirts! And these guys are in great shape. It makes no sense to me.

  5. For example, when I asked 90-year-old Ted what it was like to swim naked at Johnston, he said, “Never thought anything about it really,” whereas many guys from my generation hated it.

    • Bill

      We had the option to swim naked at a Jesuit boys school in the mid 1970’s. I overheard one of the Christian Brothers telling another…. ‘let’s go see the bodies.’ The guys with the better bodies were naked. The other option was a school provided speedo they charged a very high price for… I think $40, which at the time was outrageous. In hindsight, they wanted us naked.

      It was ok. No big deal really

      • JuanB

        Really the priests said that? But yes, now it is an “issue”. Not in the past.

  6. It’s ironic that the sexual revolution, including homosexuals being tolerated, has led to the banning of group male nudity. Apart from sexual libertine culture, you can blame the decline of this viral rite-of-passage on the post-WW2 middle-class (“the new prudery”), then child psychologists, homophobia (brought about by tolerating homosexuality) & gender equality that’s reduced public funding for boys high school sports. I suspect feminists view male chauvinism even in exclusive male venues that would never be places for sexual harassment.

  7. Mark

    I am also a retired ELCA pastor and gay. I lived in Ely, Minnesota in the 1960s where we also swam naked in class. For me, a young gay, it was wonderful, especially when our teacher would give us a complete strip show at the beginning of each. It was also wonderful when buff teenage boys from the high school would join us nude in the pool and carry us on their shoulders. I have warm wonderful memories of it and wish a book would be written about this. Living in Finland, where we have the sauna culture, this would not be a big thing.

  8. The LIFE magazine photo, published in a 1941 issue (Fig. 10) in the August, 2016 column “Frank Answers about Swimming Naked” shows a caption under that photo. I downloaded it for my essay, My Rite-of-Passage in “61, “on a(n) (bygone) era of innocence before political correctness.” I zoomed in on the caption; no one transcribed it to this website, but I feel it’s worth posting. The caption is: The steam-heated shower is a melting-pot for boys of all classes & races. One boy provided a caption for this photo. He wrote, “the example of democracy the boys displayed, they did not shove each other… around to be in the picture or under the shower. They waited their turn instead.” That attitude would be a breath of fresh air these days.

  9. Comment by post author

    Message received from Bill Guill:

    Liked your articles on naked swimming by boys. I went to high school gym class in the 1970-74 era, and we [boys] had naked swimming in a suburban high school in the Chicago area. The coaches – all men – wore trunks, though. It was OK, even for those of us who were not well-endowed, as we were all together in the same situation, so what was the problem [?]. It was humbling, but not really horrible, for most of us. I noticed a few of the freshman boys cringe the first day, but they got used to it, and were fine by the end of the first class period. Thanks for the article! I always wondered how much that tradition was kept in place, for how long, and why. Now I know more, and it does make sense.

  10. Larry

    This was not only a very interesting article but it was also extremely well written – something that is hard to find these days. It also appears to be well researched.

    My own opinion is that, although it must have been awkward for some, naked swimming among boys was not only fun but an important element of social development that seems to be missing today. In these times of instant, easy communication, people, constantly looking down at a screen and listening to music, are in their own little worlds – not communicating with people around them or the environment.

    • Rick

      Agree with your comments. I too always swam naked in school and thought nothing of it. There is no reason why guys should feel shy or embarrassed in front of other guys. They added curtains to our local showers so guys would have privacy. Not sure why guys need privacy in front of other guys. Good luck in the military.

  11. Bill-1

    I grew up in southern Ohio and entered high school in 1960. My high school did not have a pool, but as a member of High-Y, we were bussed to the YMCA in Hamilton Ohio where we swam without swim suits. Since we were bussed, there were no parents in the gallery. However, periodically a young child would enter the gallery from the lobby and announce that we were all naked. A mother would follow, get a good look, and escort them out. There was a sign in the lobby that said”Men Only” but the doors were never locked.

    In1964 I went to Miami University where we were issued those suits that Fr Frank described as”pre speedo.” They were color coded by size and left absolutely nothing to the imagination. Fortunately, we were in the water most of the time and didn’t have to look at each other. The trick was you had to reach down and let some air into the suit so it would not cling so much. I don’t recall ever seeing anyone in the gallery although it was open.

    At the time, I didn’t realize there was a double standard. We were so naive. I thought the girls had the same rules, that they had to swim naked at the YWCA. Thinking back, boys could be forced to swim as there was no problem drying a butch or a flat top hair cut. Girls could not be forced to get their hair wet. There were no hair dryers in the locker rooms…there weren’t even any plugs.

    There are still a number of double standards in our society; female reporters in men’s locker rooms, genital mutilation of boys and not girls, selective service registration for boys and not for girls, and there is that equal pay issue. Equality has been elusive in the land of the free. It is important to document the way it was as we work toward that more perfect union where all are equally free.

  12. Senza Nome

    A great number of people still doubt that nude swimming took place at the YMCA or school pools. I can tell you that it is true. I learned to swim at our local Y and continued to swim there until I graduated high school. The boys of today do not know what they are missing. They are so afraid to expose their bodies to anyone.

  13. Laurence

    In the Judeo-Christian culture we equate nudity with sex, and sex with “sin” – hence the uptight attitude about nudity in general.
    I learned to swim at the YMCA in Ohio in the 1950s and it was all nude – suits were banned, and the place was sparkling clean. No one thought anything about the nudity, since it was all-male. It is sad that modern young men, many of them from female-dominated households, have such unhealthy attitudes.

    • Old Swimmer

      Thanks for the comment. As I have mentioned before in Pastor Senn’s articles, I also swam nude at the Y. No one was allowed to have a swimsuit or even a towel in the pool area. But I am not sure that the Judeo-Christian culture in itself is the complete explanation simply because the Y is a Christian organization and I know of a Jewish club where males swam nude. Some Catholic and Lutheran high schools required boys to swim nude in the past.

      I think some of the Judeo-Christian culture is influenced by the larger culture and vice-versa. Some people do equate nudity with sex and sex with sin but that is an aberration in my opinion. The early Christians had naked baptisms, I believe. Even in Victorian times males often swam nude at public beaches.

      In one of Pastor Senn’s blogs, “Nakedness and Modesty,” he gives a good synopsis of the notion of modesty and how it changes through the years. In the uptight 50’s when I was growing up swimming in the nude at pools etc. with all males was not immodest. Today many people would think so. It is the social context more than anything that determines what is modest. Today the beachwear of many women would be considered immodest in the 1950’s.

      I think men’s present sense of modesty in locker rooms etc. is the result of today’s culture and, as you say, the equating of nudity among men as somehow sexual. Some of the reasons may be prevalence of mini-cams, phone camera’s etc. However I am continually amazed that the young will text nude pictures (as Frank mentions) but be embarrassed to change in a locker room or shower in common. Culture is hard to explain.

  14. Anon

    Your comments about liberal arts colleges brings back memories of my own experience attending the University of California at Santa Cruz in 1972-76.

    Most if not all dorms had coed floors. There may have been some segregated floors but I was at Kresge College (the campus has individual “colleges” with their own educational specialties) during my first two years, so my experience was somewhat unique. The first year I was there the college was under construction so we lived in the “married student apartments” in gender-segregated 2 bedroom living spaces with 4 students each. In 1973 Kresge College opened and it had a variety of unique living spaces but nothing like a typical segregated dorm.

    Nudity was ubiquitous on campus, with Kresge College being the most liberal environment. Students would sunbathe in the nude and since the campus is situated on 2000 acres of redwood forest and grassy fields, there were plenty of public and private places to go naked. Swimming holes on the San Lorenzo River and nude beaches north of Santa Cruz on Hwy. One were also popular with students.

    There was an annual course called Humanistic Psychology (Psych 5), a large lecture course of 200+ students. It was held outside every spring in an abandoned quarry that had been converted into an amphitheater. The Quarry is situated in a central area of the developed part of the campus. In those days Psych 5 was taught by Michael Kahn, a very popular professor who could have been the inspiration for the spacey professor in the 70s-era comic strip “Doonesbury” had Garry Trudeau attended UCSC instead of Yale.

    Based on my discussions with many others who went to college in the 70s, Psych 5 had a very unique component: It was common for students to shed their clothing and be nude during class. I remember one group in particular of around 6 women who would sit in the front row, not far from where the professor would be lecturing. There may have been some naked male students but, if so, they were relatively few and far between and for obvious reasons they do not stand out in my mind. LOL

    Alas, those halcyon days when “Let It All Hang Out” was the rule rather than the exception are long-gone at UCSC. . . Most of the experimental aspects of the campus like not having a conventional grading system have been replaced by a more conventional educational environment. The student body is also much larger at around 17,000 vs. 6000 undergraduates/graduate students during my time there.

    I feel very fortunate to have come of age during an era when we felt like we were on the cusp of a “New Age” and the world appeared to be moving toward a more enlightened and loving embrace of radically positive ideas and all kinds of people.

  15. Anon

    I clearly remember swimming nude in gym class and at the Y. We thought nothing of it. I think it is important for boys to be nude in locker rooms, showers, and pools at a young age, so they get used to it and are not modest. You can’t suddenly be an adult and swim nude. If boys do this young, they will not be embarrassed or ashamed as adults to be nude in front of other men or women.

  16. We are born naked. Naked little kids have no problem playing with other naked kids. They don’t know there is anything wrong with it — and there isn’t. But along comes adults who teach a child to wear clothes — based on their culture so they will be like everyone else. Wearing clothes allows us to ‘fit in’.

    I personally think that clothes are utilitarian. If you are going to do a space walk, wear a space suit else your body will be harmed. If you are working outdoors and the temperature is cold, wear sufficient clothes to protect your body. If you are working in a steel mill around hot metals, wear a leather apron or whatever will protect your body. If you are working outdoors in the sun for a long period of time, wear clothing which will protect your body. If you are scuba diving in cold water, you may need a wetsuit to protect your body. If you are fighting a fire, wear the appropriate clothes to protect your body from fire. Likewise, wear appropriate shoes to protect your feet in all circumstances. You get the idea.

    When you take a shower, you don’t need clothes, you need access to your body to cleanse it. When you sunbathe, you don’t need clothes, your purpose is to experience the benefits of the sun. When you swim, you don’t need clothes to constrict you body. When you wash your car, you don’t need clothes to accomplish your purpose. In most cases, you don’t need clothes when around your house.

    Clothes have been often used to represent status among people and to divide people. Same goes with jewelry and many other exterior things. Clothes are sometimes used to identify a person’s responsibilities — uniforms or utility clothing: police, firefighter, medical doctors/nurses, etc. Notice how we can appear to be ‘somebody else’ by wearing the clothes ‘somebody else’ wears. “Well, I thought she was a doctor — she had on doctor’s clothes.” These clothes represent who we are in the eyes of other people (and maybe mentally what/who we want to be).

    Without clothes, we are naked in many ways. We are not ID’d. Our naked body may reveal our physical condition, our age, our medical history. Our eyes, voice and movements communicate who we are. We tell our own story. We are who we are with no clothes to hide behind. We meet others on equal footing. We are human. We are male or female. We are like one half of the world’s population. No suprises, just little differences based on genetics and wear and tear. We can have a conversation.

    The clothing industry has an interest in making clothes a necessity. Every year they tell you what the new trends are and what you must have to be a part of the avant-garde. Marketing tells you what you need and where to find it for whatever reason that allows them to sell exterior things to you. It is their business.

    What do we really need? Air, food, water, shelter and sometimes clothing. Beyond the needs of the body, there are mental needs. And there are spiritual needs.

    Bottom line, we are spiritual beings in human bodies learning how to adapt in our evironments and make a positive difference in our environments which includes the lives of people near and far. We are like everyone else.

    I kept it short.

  17. Chris Zedillo

    Great article, thank you. I went to high school in England as dad was assigned to the US Embassy there in the 60s. It was one of those schools the Brits call a Public School (ie exclusive, all-boys, and fee paying). Not only did we swim nude, but school policy was that all boys be circumcised. As an American I was already “taken care of”, but every year in September several boys would disappear at the beginning of the semester, returning circumcised. Both the requirements of circumcision and nude swimming disappeared when I was in 10th grade, about 1967.

    • Allen

      The requirement for circumcision is over the top, especially in UK where most boys are not routinely circ’d. Why was this a requirement at your school?

  18. Alonzo

    Amazing this thread has continued for as long as it has. I posted a few comments in 2017 (I think). When I ran across this a few minutes ago, I assumed the last comment would have been sometime in 2018—wrong! Amazing!

    I may be one of the few men my age (seasoned citizen) who has never swam naked in all-male company (i.e. no women present, naked or clothed). My introduction to nude swimming was at age 13 at a friend’s backyard pool. He and I and his dad swam nude and his mom wore a swimsuit. Yes, I was embarrassed at first, but they were all so matter-of-fact about the double standard that my shyness faded and I came to enjoy the feeling of complete and total exposure.

    Over the years, my wife and I have swum nude many, many times at our favorite hot springs, typically in the company of 100-150 naked men and women. We’ve been to a few nudist resorts too, and we always make a point of showering in the coed gang showers at the Oregon Country Fair. And there have been a few times (count on one hand) where my wife and I have swum in a small group where only the men (including me) swim naked while the women (including her) all wear swimsuits. In all cases, no one gives the nudity a second thought and it becomes the new normal.

    I can understand the desire to make nude swimming more common and more acceptable. (The only time I’ve worn a pair of trunks the last 5 years was at an upscale resort, and the only memorable thing was our noticing how common thong swimsuits have become among younger American women.) I guess what I find puzzling is the number of heterosexual men who have posted how they would like to participate in nude swimming—but in all-male company (no women present, not even in swimsuits or otherwise modestly clothed). That I just don’t get.

    • Comment by post author

      Yes, Alonzo, men are still going around and around on this issue of swimming naked—and comments continue also on the two swimming naked commentariet articles. Some of your previous posts are included in the curated Commentary I: Discerning the Truth article. Being naked in front of women is still an issue being debated, although it has abated a bit. Many of the heterosexual guys seem terrified by the thought that they might have been seen naked by women. The gay guys don’t care who sees them naked, men or women. I think it’s because gay men have had to come to terms with their sexuality and are therefore more secure in their bodies — and often proud to show off their bodies.

  19. It’s saddens me to see how political “correctness” has emasculated the traditional American virility that encouraged boys to “grow a thick skin.” I first took swim lessons at the City pool. Though swim classes were co-gender the bathhouse (built as a W.P.A. project in 1938), of course, wasn’t. The changing area wasn’t private, nor was the group shower. The same was true of the locker rooms in Junior & Senior High school; as were the WW2 era latrines/group showers at the Army Reception/processing center at Ft Leonard Wood, MO. Current generations would be shocked to have to use unenclosed toilets that we draftees had there & on the rifle ranges.

  20. David Webb

    What an interesting topic. I had forgotten all about swimming naked at school. It was just how it was. I went to an all boys grammar school in the north of England in the 1960s which had its own indoor pool. A swimming lesson was scheduled each week for all years and we were all told when we started at school that no-one wore trunks. I don’t remember anyone thinking anything of it. I was there from the age of 11 to 18 when I moved on to university. There was also the opportunity for recreational swimming after school on certain days when the different years mixed and sometimes teachers would also swim. There was no embarrassment; we were all boys and young men. The same with communal showers and baths after sport. How the world has changed!

    • Old Swimmer


      Thanks for giving a view from across the pond. Your comments mirror most of us on this blog. As you say, “it was just the way it was.” There was nothing remarkable about nude swimming or group showering in all male environments in the days before the mid-1970’s. My experience was the same as yours, as I mentioned earlier in the blog, from ages 8 to 18 at the Y, at Y summer camp and in high school. Like you, I experienced some mixed age nude swimming at father and sons nights at the Y, and with our swim coach and summer camp counselors. There is variance on that point. Some on this blog report that coaches wore swim suits, other report their coaches did not. It must depend on the geographic area and the time.

      Some are surprised at mixed age nudity but that is common at Russian baths and Korean spas where customer from age 5 to 80 are comfortable with common male nudity.
      However, many younger guys are not. As Pastor Senn says, it is a cultural change. Things are different now. Times do indeed change. Thanks for you comments.

      • David Webb

        I’ve just read your comments on my message. Old Swimmer and you mention Russian and Korean spas. Whilst I have no experience of those countries I did spend time in Japan when I was working. Our company had set up a collaboration with a Japanese company and several of us went out there to develop operational procedures. At first we found the Japanese workforce hardworking and focused but very serious. Then we were invited to accompany a number of the managers to a local onsen, for an evening out, my first experience of a Japanese bath.

        It was male only and several things struck me immediately: first, the sheer size of the place – several pools, washing areas and showers as well as a lounge area; secondly the number of people there – fathers with children, grandfathers and all ages in between including what seemed to be a number of sports teams; and finally, after we had left our clothes in the locker area, the complete nudity of everybody – you carried a small washing cloth but nobody covered up. It was a really enjoyable evening for us all. The atmosphere was very sociable. Even though we were the only Europeans there we felt welcome and we saw our Japanese colleagues in a much more relaxed mood than in the office. We were able to chat informally about general topics. We even discovered that they had a thirst for dirty jokes which was a complete surprise. Luckily the youngest of our group was captain of his local rugby team so he had a plentiful supply! Following that evening we had several more and felt a lot closer to our new colleagues as a result and I am sure worked more effectively.

        When I reflect on it now, I think the fact that we were all exposed, without the usual cover of clothes, broke down a lot of barriers and helped us all be ourselves which reinforces some of Pastor Senn’s comments in his articles. Communal nudity definitely has value and I feel sorry if some younger guys no longer experience it.

        • Old Swimmer

          The Russian and Korean baths I mentioned were in Chicago where I live. But they are what you describe in Japan. Segregated by sex, totally nude, several hot, warm and cold pools, dry and wet saunas. The only thing you have with you is a small wash cloth. All generations are present and, in these places, all nationalities races etc. There is a great sense of liberation or freedom being totally nude with everyone. I didn’t experience that sense of freedom years ago at the Y or high school swimming since I was concentrated more and have fun or improving my swimming time. The nudity was just normal and unremarkable

          The Russian bath is now more gentrified. When I went back there after several years, I found I was the only naked guy–the other guys wore swim suits. I even had to be covered for the massage. So things there changed with the neighborhood and the times.

          Your comments and my experience in these baths confirm the mixed generation aspects of male group nudity. You mentioned nude swimming with teachers and we had nude instructors and life guards at the Y and a swim coach who was nude with us at practices. Others on this blog had different experiences and couple were shocked at having adults nude with kids in pools and at camp. But your experience and that of the Korean and Russian baths confirm that reality in some circumstances. It seemed normal to us.

          Good to hear from the other side of the pond.

          • Comment by post author

            The Korean King Spa in Niles, IL is still nude in the pools area. Lots of fathers and sons, especially on weekends, and older youth later at night. Naked body scrubs and acupressure massages are also offered in the pool area. I haven’t been there throughout the whole pandemic. But in recent years I observed that it has been visited by a lot of Russians who want to be nude in the pools and steam sauna.

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